Orb Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 It feels very nice. The lens sphere can contract itself into thought or relax and melt into consciousness. That sense of openness when thought relaxes is the feeling of consciousness/Lens. The Lens creates the sense of "I", notice how thought and the sense of "I" or presence feel similar. It's very subtle. When the Lens Sphere is clarified, the clarity is the blissfulness. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 22, 2023 Author Posted June 22, 2023 Just like how thoughts come and go, consciousness ( the I sense) comes and goes. Which is why we don't experience deep sleep. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Phil Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 Great post, just two cents… I’d say the lens-sphere is a vibrational concentration of consciousness, as opposed to a contraction, in that it’s apparent. Concentration isn’t felt / experienced, but contraction is. There can certainly be thought and relaxation / melting simultaneously. Not only can there be but it’s actually the default which it sounds like ‘you’re tapping into’. Home, really. ☺️ We might say alignment, pure positive thought, flow, stream, etc. Contraction is the I sense and is additional (so to speak). The lens doesn’t per se create the I sense or contraction, but perhaps in an indirect way. It’s a bit tough to not overlook a lens that can’t be seen yet simultaneously nothing could be more obvious since there seems to be ‘seeing’. Consciousness, in so much as the word points to infinite ineffable, being nondual, can’t & doesn’t come & go, but is conscious of all that does (which of course is the very same consciousness). The relevance in mentioning this is apparently there’s an epidemic of labelling discord / emotional suppression as a ‘lack of concentration’. I think it’s worth pointing out, so any one experiencing collective conditioning / being told they have a ‘lack of concentration’ might have some clarity in regard to addressing any suppression - discord - contraction - as apposed to believing they have a concentration problem / something’s wrong with them / needs to be fixed / they’re lacking or the like. (This is all said in particular to the lens, which isn’t a separate thing). Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions
Orb Posted June 22, 2023 Author Posted June 22, 2023 @Phil oh yea certainly there's still thought and relaxation, the lens feels blissful and the thoughts are like it's waves like waves in the ocean. 😌 Yea concentration works too. If consciousness doesn't go away then how come we aren't conscious of deep sleep? Also, by consciousness I'm referring to the lens, the sense of being a conscious being. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Phil Posted June 22, 2023 Posted June 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Orb said: If consciousness doesn't go away then how come we aren't conscious of deep sleep? Because consciousness is appearing as people (who sleep). Consciousness is not arising from or a product of actual physical people or beings. Put another way, wakefulness, aliveness is nondual. That you sleep is a hindsight assumption based on that you woke up in the morning. You = consciousness. You does not equal a body. Consciousness is appearing as perception (the spheres) and the thought ‘body’ (lens-sphere) 1 hour ago, Orb said: Also, by consciousness I'm referring to the lens, the sense of being a conscious being. It’s simpler. The sense of being a conscious being… is consciousness. But not a consciousness or my consciousness. Just, consciousness. And of course, not even. 🙂 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil went through withdrawals from kava last night, couldn't sleep until 3-4 in the morning. Didn't feel specialness or the expansive light feeling. I guess sometimes we have to bear painful sensations and be a human instead of always focusing on the "supreme". Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) @Phil for brief moments during the insomnia and thought attachment, there was peace, but nothing special lol. Now I had some coffee and kratom and it's waaaay easier to let thought rest in and as the lens. Edited June 23, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Phil Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 56 minutes ago, Orb said: @Phil went through withdrawals from kava last night, couldn't sleep until 3-4 in the morning. The sep self of thought is never present. Self is presence. 56 minutes ago, Orb said: Didn't feel specialness or the expansive light feeling. The sep self of thought is thought to feel. Self is feeling. 56 minutes ago, Orb said: I guess sometimes we have to bear painful sensations and be a human instead of always focusing on the "supreme". The experience of the body is actually only that of sensation. The experience of thought is that of a human and a supreme. 55 minutes ago, Orb said: @Phil for brief moments during the insomnia and thought attachment, there was peace, but nothing special lol. For the sep self of thought peace isn’t self and isn’t present. Self is peace, self is presence. 55 minutes ago, Orb said: Now I had some coffee and kratom and it's waaaay easier to let thought rest in and as the lens. Thoughts about a subject & object arise in & as the lens, which is apparent and therein not separate. Love is the absence of separation. The drops of water at the peak of a sprinkler are of the water, are the water, and are therein not about the water. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil Everything you're saying is resonating. But the Self is obscured by thought and stuff coming up during withdrawals. It's harder to tap into It. I don't know how to convey it in a way that checks all the boxes of sounding non dual, but the point is it's harder. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil Maybe theres resistance to the sensations felt during withdrawal. Everything feels heavier. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil I think the stuff I was suppressing by using kava is coming up. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Phil Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 @Orb Acknowledging & allowing the emptying is as alignment as it gets. You’re doing the mature thing here and seem to have some equity even in a difficult time, which will pass. Good. For. You. Fuck nonduality, checking boxes, tapping into something etc. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil thank you for the kind words. theres even more cleaning up to do, im letting go of even more substance use. Caffeine/kratom have been affecting my digestion and after getting through kava withdrawal alright I think I can handle letting go of the rest. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Phil Posted June 23, 2023 Posted June 23, 2023 @Orb Inspiring brother. 👊🏻 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions
Orb Posted June 23, 2023 Author Posted June 23, 2023 @Phil 🙏💙 It's all working out. Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 25, 2023 Author Posted June 25, 2023 @Phil the vastness of Me is flooding in again!! 🤤😌 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
Orb Posted June 25, 2023 Author Posted June 25, 2023 @Phil now if source can get me a job.... 😂 Quote Mention "Mediocrity is gone. Mind is clear of limitation. I seek no state of enlightenment. Neither do I remain where no enlightenment exists. Since I linger in neither condition, eyes cannot see me. If hundreds of birds strew my path with flowers, such praise would be meaningless." - A Comment on the 8th Ox Herding Picture
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