Phil Posted May 5 Share Posted May 5 By every morning, what’s also suggested is starting small and increasing the sit. Loosely speaking that might look like 5 - 10 minutes initially, and increasing to an hour or more. Why and or why not adopt the practice of meditation? What occurs initially, in the short term, and as well in the longer term of undergoing the practice? What’s the point as you go if you will, and also ultimately speaking? How is health, wellbeing & alignment related? What are the experiential effects? How does adopting the practice relate to awakening, enlightenment, no mind, cessation, emptiness, effortlessness, consciously creating, fullness and or happiness? Let’s discuss. As always, questions welcomed. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetaSage Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I see meditation as directed towards healing and setting out to change your state, basically. It increases focus and helps control one's mind. This has many benefits but its purpose isn't questioning with the intent to discover the truth of something, that'd be contemplation. How could it be practiced day to day without having to sit down or adopt a certain posture? To clarify, meditating is incredibly beneficial and everyone would greatly benefit from it! My distracted mind is struggling with making meditation a daily habit although today I meditated for 15 minutes. What do you say to people who worry about not knowing how to do meditation? Is there a technique that can be followed? What I do turns out to be "doing nothing", breath awareness, maybe zazen, although I'm not very clear on what the latter is about. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 A doctor advises a patient to take prescribed medicine with only one condition. That condition is not to think of a monkey when he takes the medicine. Can the patient ever take the medicine? Will he not think of the monkey whenever he tries not to do so? So also, when people try to give up thoughts their object is frustrated by their very attempt. - Ramana Maharshi On 5/5/2023 at 6:44 PM, Phil said: Why and or why not adopt the practice of meditation? "Adopting the practice of meditation" is a thought. In my experience, "adopting the practice", making an effort to sit down every morning and seeking the benefits meditation practice is said or assumed to have, brings an experience of frustration, anger, even despair. Or perhaps thoughts about are the source of the frustration, anger and despair. Never had I heard or had any thoughts or trouble with monkey-mind or thought-attachment before I hear about there being such things. I heard about it from youtube channels and books which also talked a lot about silencing the monkey mind with meditation practice. 🤔 Maybe it's best to notice if / when a thought arises: "I have a monkey mind." "It needs to be silenced." "I should adopt a meditation practice." "If I don't meditate, I will never find inner peace." ... And to notice how the thought feels, check direct experience, inspect whether the thought/assumption is true. Perhaps "a meditation practice", or regularly sitting down and bringing focus to breathing is more like an appearance of meditation. 😁 Quote Mention Everyone is waiting for eternity but the Shaman asks: "how about today?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 These days for me I am quite present in my day to day life that I am rarely thinking but rather mindful of the task at hand and there is a meditative quality to my day to day experience but I still highly value short meditations throughout the day. Here is a really nice video I often go back to 🙂 Quote Mention If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 Just some discussion questions that arise if interested… Can the truth be arrived at via contemplation? Is time more than an activity of thought? Is mind (finite or infinite) any different? Can not knowing be wrong? (Is wrong known?) Can what one already doesn’t have therein be given up? Is meditation an efforting, or is efforting the activity of thought which is dispelled meditatively? Can what isn’t actually heard be silenced? Can someone which isn’t do any silencing? Is there something, anything, which is not an appearance via meditation? 🤍 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 18 hours ago, Phil said: Just some discussion questions that arise if interested… Can the truth be arrived at via contemplation? Is time more than an activity of thought? Is mind (finite or infinite) any different? Can not knowing be wrong? (Is wrong known?) Can what one already doesn’t have therein be given up? Is meditation an efforting, or is efforting the activity of thought which id dispelled meditatively? Can what isn’t actually heard be silenced? Can someone which isn’t do any silencing? Is there something, anything, which is not an appearance via meditation? 🤍 I'd like to dance with a few ❤️ I'd say... Truth is everyone, everywhere, everywhen, inevitably unavoidable and totally attainable in any way or means, for it dominates everything else. The Truth is Realized, reDiscovered, it cannot truly be achieved or attained, it already is. The Mind is infinite, yet infinitely finite. What can be wrong, what is wrong? Meditation is an unefforting 🙂 🤍 Quote Mention If you immediately know the candlelight is fire, then the meal was cooked a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 19 hours ago, Phil said: Can the truth be arrived at via contemplation? Can the truth be arrived at? 19 hours ago, Phil said: Is meditation an efforting, or is efforting the activity of thought which id dispelled meditatively? Is there activity of thought? Quote Mention Everyone is waiting for eternity but the Shaman asks: "how about today?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted Saturday at 02:22 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 02:22 PM On 5/9/2023 at 6:44 AM, Blessed2 said: Can the truth be arrived at? Absolute satisfaction, causeless effortless happiness, wholeness, wonder, joy, peace, empowerment, enthusiasm, certainty, decisiveness, intrinsic creativity etc aren’t per se arrived at, as that would be the framing of there being a separate self, and meditation as a means to an end for the separate self to get something. But truth is arrived at in the sense that the activity of thought meditatively settles and truth is un-obscured. On 5/9/2023 at 6:44 AM, Blessed2 said: Is there activity of thought? Yes, apparently / appearance. Creator-Creating-Creation. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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