Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Honestly, I don't even care lol, I'm just gonna make sure I don't hurt anyone in my life time. I'm a bit freaky myself. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 @Jonas Long There’s a lil Metallica floatin around in that connotation isn’t there? Lol. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Jesus christ I'm sick of people wanting to manage the way others live. The very idea of people having to live or be a certain way is so neurotic. This is so crazy. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Phil said: Yeah. Nothing matters. That's not quite what I'm saying. There is no thing to matter or to not matter. Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Phil said: @Jonas Long There’s a lil Metallica floatin around in that connotation isn’t there? Lol. I think his line was "nothing else matters" but I don't remember what the something that mattered was...I was never a fan. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Blessed2 said: That's not quite what I'm saying. There is no thing to matter or to not matter. "Nothing matters, and we know nothing matters, and that matters...." Is something Charles Bukowski said one time. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, Blessed2 said: That's not quite what I'm saying. There is no thing to matter or to not matter. We’re saying the same thing. 7 minutes ago, Jonas Long said: I think his line was "nothing else matters" but I don't remember what the something that mattered was...I was never a fan. I thought Kill Em All was rather informative, spiritually speaking. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blessed2 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 okay it's about time someone linked this (it's a current hit) Quote Mention There must be an effortless way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 One way to put it… what feels better, sex, falling in love, 5meo, or sitting round doing nothing? Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, Phil said: One way to put it… what feels better, sex, falling in love, 5meo, or sitting round doing nothing? Sex, falling in love, 5meo. I'm going through withdrawals so anything but sitting down doing nothing feels better. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 @Orb In ‘the bigger picture’, not just in terms of sex / sexuality, I think this is what the op points to. In a nutshell, the notion that feeling is coming from experience. It seems completely common & normal that the population of the planet is selling consciousness to newer generations. Even so called teachers of consciousness sell concepts of levels with charts & unique thingifying terminology etc. That it seems normal is what’s so crazy. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Long Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 24 minutes ago, Phil said: One way to put it… what feels better, sex, falling in love, 5meo, or sitting round doing nothing? Nothing beats nothing Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb In ‘the bigger picture’, not just in terms of sex / sexuality, I think this is what the op points to. In a nutshell, the notion that feeling is coming from experience. It seems completely common & normal that the population of the planet is selling consciousness to newer generations. Even so called teachers of consciousness sell concepts of levels with charts etc. That it seems normal is what’s so crazy. That's easy to say when "selfing" no longer arises. Or when you're not going through withdrawals. The delusion of self and all the stuff you talk about cannot be solved with a paradigm shift or just changing how you think. It's completely through grace. Edited April 28, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 @Orb Selfing already doesn’t arise. While there is experientially withdrawal, there is no one going through it. That’s the whole point, that it’s so ‘normal’ or normalized, is what’s so crazy. Without all the selling of Ourself to Ourself, there wouldn’t even be experientially withdrawal. I’m not saying there isn’t. Inevitably there won’t be. Withdrawal from what? Something someone made and sold as something that will ‘make you feel better’. And it’s quite circular. Something to ‘make you feel better’ from what really? Competition. The entire human race competing with each other. For what? Selling each other what will ‘make you feel better’. 🎪 Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Phil said: @Orb Selfing already doesn’t arise. While there is experientially withdrawal, there is no one going through it. That’s the whole point, that it’s so ‘normal’ or normalized, is what’s so crazy. Without all the selling of Ourself to Ourself, there wouldn’t even be experientially withdrawal. I’m not saying there isn’t. Inevitably there won’t be. It does arise, otherwise all the madness going on wouldn't be unfolding. It's cool that there's no one doing anything, but I want to have a roof over my head but at the same time I just wanna leave society and die somewhere. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Phil said: @Orb Withdrawal from what? Something someone made and sold as something that will ‘make you feel better’. Idk this feels unbearable. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 @Orb Selfing isn’t a it & doesn’t arise. Thoughts about arise. The difference is self-evident in how the thoughts feel. That there are separate selves is the madness that’s going on. What’s wanted isn’t being somewhere else or death, it’s being. That thoughts arise is indicative of what I’m saying here. Apparently the entire population of the planet believes in there & death. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Orb said: Idk this feels unbearable. Some thoughts feel unbearable. All thoughts can be let go. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 … This… is already… the greatest “feeling” that there could ever possibly be. As is. Nothing is not a concept, idea, or thought about nothing. In the simplest of words possible…. An idea, concept or thought ‘about yourself’ might feel like shit. BECAUSE you are the greatest ‘thing’, ‘feeling’, BEING - POSSIBLE. Unthinkable. Unbelievable. Inconceivable. Unimaginable. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, Phil said: … This… is already… the greatest “feeling” that there could ever possibly be. As is. I don't have a problem with that, in fact I don't even care, I'll pick up a flower from the ground and stare at it while drooling. Seriously I don't care and "this" is awesome. But when you have to make money and do a bunch of shit just to have the time to do that, that's the issue. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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