Enlightenment Genetics

[Jonas Long]

20 minutes ago, Devin said:

 But it turns out that we actually have less healthy teeth than our ancestors. In fact, archaeologists say that prehistoric humans had

But we also live longer.  Anyway, this sounds like a whole separate issue 

[Mandy]

5 hours ago, Jonas Long said:

Partly that,  along with the consistent check ins and evaluations professional therapists have to go through to insure that they maintain a healthy and ethical practice. 

They also aren't allowed to use tools like tarot cards, pendulums, or allowed to specialize in some category like personal organization or marketing or meditation, or tarot, or... Life coaches are allowed to be more creative, often much more intuitive or to offer a variety of different specialties. If you have trauma or a past with severe abuse or many other manifestations of things you should certainly see a professional. Seeing a licensed therapist can even be wonderful for all areas of life, for anybody, but I certainly wouldn't want to see it as "life coach bad, licensed therapist good." It's not implied that a life coach would replace the other. Just like reiki and so many other healing modalities aren't meant to be used in place of medical treatment but to offer all options and tools for the time and place. My massage therapist isn't my doctor and my doctor isn't my massage therapist yet both contribute to my health and well being. More recently the massage therapist seems more valuable and aligned and not tied with all kinds of rules and limiting beliefs about the body and illness, but I sure as heck don't want to stop appreciating the value of medicine or my doctor either. 

[Jonas Long]

46 minutes ago, Mandy said:

They also aren't allowed to use tools like tarot cards, pendulums, or allowed to specialize in some category like personal organization or marketing or meditation, or tarot, or.

I'm pretty sure it's allowed...I live in Asheville and definitely know of ones who do

[Phil]

It’s good to have a therapist and a life coach. 

And if there’s still the belief is those selves, a guru. 

[Jonas Long]

59 minutes ago, Mandy said:

They also aren't allowed to use tools like tarot cards, pendulums, or allowed to specialize in some category like personal organization or marketing or meditation, or tarot, or... Life coaches are allowed to be more creative, often much more intuitive or to offer a variety of different specialties. If you have trauma or a past with severe abuse or many other manifestations of things you should certainly see a professional. Seeing a licensed therapist can even be wonderful for all areas of life, for anybody, but I certainly wouldn't want to see it as "life coach bad, licensed therapist good." It's not implied that a life coach would replace the other. Just like reiki and so many other healing modalities aren't meant to be used in place of medical treatment but to offer all options and tools for the time and place. My massage therapist isn't my doctor and my doctor isn't my massage therapist yet both contribute to my health and well being. More recently the massage therapist seems more valuable and aligned and not tied with all kinds of rules and limiting beliefs about the body and illness, but I sure as heck don't want to stop appreciating the value of medicine or my doctor either. 

I've given and received tarot readings for money, I've gotten astrology readings, I went to school for massage, which I never ended up practicing, but I think it's great, I'm not against those things at all.  I don't think of anything like that as life coaching.  

Edited April 4, 2023 by Jonas Long

[Mandy]

@Jonas Long I guess we have different definitions, I consider life coaching as a catchall term for any offered service for guidance or consultation on anything, especially centered around well being and living a good life in general. What's your definition? 

[Phil]

Can liberation be allowed to be seen…

On 3/31/2023 at 11:09 AM, Phil said:

 

@Joseph Maynor

This ‘believer’ stuff is dogmatic & projection. It seems like an overlooking of the entirety of the videos offered, the group calls, what’s shared in this thread, and the point & content of the forum. 

 

No implication of separate selves. Just a sharing. 

On 3/31/2023 at 11:11 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

Yeah Phil, I disagree with you.  You're a lot like Leo Gura dude.  I've always thought you and Leo were similar -- you're a similar kind of person.  If you ban me for saying this I will note that.  I'm done being gaslit by spiritual narcissists.  I'll set the record straight if provoked.

Context of comment switched to that of separate selves. 

[Joseph Maynor]

12 hours ago, Jonas Long said:

I don't think of anything like that as life coaching.  

If life coaching doesn’t resonate with you, no need to demonize it.  There is no better field in my opinion than life coaching when it’s done from a pure place.  There are manipulators and scammers in self help and spirituality — but to see someone so flippantly and callously demonize life coaching just breaks my heart because it’s the one field that almost everyone could benefit from.  As a life coach, I’ve coached many people over the years who are doing so much better today because they believed in the power of self-improvement and I taught them how to life coach themselves.  The best life coach guides you how to life coach yourself.  A lot of people are weak in this area I find.  I was too before I learned how to life coach myself (be my own coach).  I didn’t even know what life coaching was until my late 30’s.  I could have benefitted enormously from a great life coach earlier on in my life.  Great life coaches are born to do it.  A coach is not a teacher — they’re more inclined to show you how to do something than talk at you like a teacher.  A good life coach gets into the nitty gritty of doing something very practical with you and becomes your accountability partner until you form a habit and can gain momentum on your own.  A lot of people I’ve coached have had bigtime problems — and the ones I keep in contact with are doing so much better today.  It’s hard to coach someone to believe and practice that their life is valuable and they deserve to live well.  People have huge self-esteem problems and negative thinking patterns that take a lot of work — which has to be done by them — to whittle down and dissolve. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Joseph Maynor

[Jonas Long]

@Mandy @Joseph Maynor

I'm not gonna die on this hill.  I think the problems in the self help/life coaching field are fairly self evident.  But so are the problems of capitalism and we all do that anyway.  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Jonas Long

[Blessed2]

Not sure if life coaching is so much about the person, coach, as it's about offering the space, time and tools for the client.

 

I sure as fuck wouldn't have much to say about my life & mental health mastery but I think I could offer some good tools and an adequate space for healing. Maybe the master is already there, just waiting for the right enviroment.

 

Like a car repair shop. We all already got a bunch of built-in mechanics. We just gotta give them a hall and some tools to do their magic.

Hmm. Maybe I'll become a life coach!

[Jonas Long]

15 minutes ago, Blessed2 said:

 

Hmm. Maybe I'll become a life coach!

It sure seems trendy at the moment 

[Jonas Long]

It's a delicate position that I don't think most untrained people, however intuitive, have the skill for.  And I think its quite easy for a person who is struggling to fall victim to a self declared life coach who has problems of their own they don't know how to deal with, and became a "life coach" because it's easy to make a buck off of lost struggling people who get to a point where they just want someone to tell them what to do.  If it was somehow regulated, i think that would be a good idea.  If you have unresolved issues of your own and aren't trained in how to separate your needs from the needs of others, and you get easily triggered, and take things personally and have blind spots and wounds you are in denial about, chances are you won't be able to make the distinction between another person's wants and needs to your own. 

Edited April 4, 2023 by Jonas Long

[Jonas Long]

1 minute ago, Devin said:

What do you think a coach would do that's harmful?

Let's say the life coach has emotional baggage from past relationships but they don't realize it, they are likely to pass off their own prejudices to a person asking for relationship advice, giving advice that is reflective of their own perceived failures and maybe anger.  Dating coaches pass along toxic beliefs like the fucking plague, for example. 

[Robed Mystic]

On 4/3/2023 at 7:04 AM, Joseph Maynor said:

 

@Robed Mystic Are you passing on answering my question?  If there is no body, how can genetics even be relevant?  If you think that reality is a dream that you're creating exclusively as a kind of pure consciousness and all forms of consciousness are a kind of illusion -- why would genetics even factor in to someone realizing this?  It seems like what you're doing is trying to one up Leo on his own theory by saying you have better genetics than he does.  But I think on the basis of what Leo teaches and what you've adopted from him, that objection seems easily dismissible.

You need to use tools, or in this case, genetics,  within the dream to break out of it.  Because all you currently have is what is inside of it - simply because you are trapped inside.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Robed Mystic

[Orb]

2 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

You need to use tools, or in this case, genetics,  within the dream to break out of it.  Because all you currently have is what is inside of it - simply because you are trapped inside.

But you're already not in the dream. Thought makes it seem like there's a self inside or outside of something. If no thoughts arose right now, would you be inside or outside the dream?

[Robed Mystic]

Just now, Orb said:

But you're already not in the dream. Thought makes it seem like there's a self inside or outside of something. If no thoughts arose right now, would you be inside or outside the dream?

This is a trap.  You're like a guy in the matrix saying there is nothing outside of the matrix.   Until you are shown there is.

[Orb]

1 minute ago, Robed Mystic said:

This is a trap.  You're like a guy in the matrix saying there is nothing outside of the matrix.   Until you are shown there is.

Is there a matrix if no thoughts are arising? 

[Mandy]

7 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

You need to use tools, or in this case, genetics,  within the dream to break out of it.  Because all you currently have is what is inside of it - simply because you are trapped inside.

So for me to see that the ice skating figurine in my pretty little snow globe is not me, the figurine needs a built in life hammer, and to come to life like the figurines in the Indian and the Cupboard in order to escape her snow globe. 
 

I AM A DAMN GOOD ice skater. There's never been one like me before. Tremendous. The course is coming out soon. Of course. OF COURSE! 

[Robed Mystic]

2 minutes ago, Orb said:

Is there a matrix if no thoughts are arising? 

I'm not going to entertain nonsense.  I can't rip you out of here - or I would.  I would pull the plug.  But I can't.  

Edited April 4, 2023 by Robed Mystic

[Jonas Long]

7 minutes ago, Robed Mystic said:

You need to use tools, or in this case, genetics,  within the dream to break out of it.  Because all you currently have is what is inside of it - simply because you are trapped inside.

Genetics are part of the dream though, they are as imaginary as everything else.  "You" don't have anything.  "You" don't escape shit.