What do you Make of the Claim that "Consciousness is all that Exists"?

[Joseph Maynor]

This seems to be something and a lot of people are drawn to conclude and I'm just curious as to your reactions to the claim.

SOURCE
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/?page=20

Edited March 25 by Joseph Maynor

[Blessed2]

A bamboozle.

 

Idealism / consciousness-ism is still a materialist error. Quite literally just another side of the same coin.

 

There can only be idealism in contrast to materialism.

 

If you truly throw out materialism, idealism goes as well. If you throw out matter you throw out consciousness.

 

Not-two or not-a-thing is closer to home. Or simply I.

 

Let's coin a new -ism. It's called I-sm.

[Phil]

10 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This seems to be something and a lot of people are drawn to conclude and I'm just curious as to your reactions to the claim.

SOURCE
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/?page=20

Consciousness is all there is. 

Consciousness = unconditional love. 

The thought of is an appearance of. 

Like ‘this room’. 

[Joseph Maynor]

11 hours ago, Blessed2 said:

A bamboozle.

 

Idealism / consciousness-ism is still a materialist error. Quite literally just another side of the same coin.

 

There can only be idealism in contrast to materialism.

 

If you truly throw out materialism, idealism goes as well. If you throw out matter you throw out consciousness.

 

Not-two or not-a-thing is closer to home. Or simply I.

 

Let's coin a new -ism. It's called I-sm.

Something to consider.  Maybe consciousness is being thought of erroneously as a substance.  It's kind of an implicit metaphor that's materialist ironically. You're very wise from my perspective.

Edited March 26 by Joseph Maynor

[nurthur11]

6 hours ago, Phil said:

The thought of is an appearance of. 

Like ‘this room’. 

The thought of is? You mean like what is this = what this? 
 

yeah like this room. Sry you already andwered hehe. 

Edited March 26 by nurthur11

[Joseph Maynor]

6 hours ago, Phil said:

Consciousness is all there is. 

Consciousness = unconditional love. 

The thought of is an appearance of. 

Like ‘this room’. 

 

I experienced this on 5-MeO-DMT.  I just don't know if that's the truth or just a hallucination.  I'm conflicted personally.  And I'm not sure that's bad.  I don't have contradiction, chaos, and mystery in my shadow.  Certainty is Masculine.

Edited March 26 by Joseph Maynor

[Phil]

@Joseph Maynor

It’s key to acknowledge doubt as an (felt) emotion, so the doubting of the Truth of direct experience is basically deflated as just thoughts about, which feel a certain way (doubt) for a very Good reason. 

 

This is the hallucination. Phil, etc. 

[Joseph Maynor]

22 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Joseph Maynor

It’s key to acknowledge doubt an an (felt) emotion, so the doubting of the Truth of direct experience is basically deflated as just thoughts about, which feel a certain way (doubt) for a very Good reason. 

 

This is the hallucination. Phil, etc. 

 

I agree that feelings give information and are often ignored by people who are too Masculine.  The duality between thought and feeling is something to explore.  Maybe they're not so separate.  I feel really sorry for people who aren't in tune with feeling.  It took me many years to integrate my feeling and to privilege it.  I can still work on Fe or extraverted feeling which is weak for me because it isn't included in my cognitive function stack.  But I have integrated introverted feeling, Fi, which is my inferior cognitive function -- to a substantial degree.  There aren't many ENTJs who've  integrated feeling -- F -- it's not our strength.   I had to learn how to love myself and others and the latter is still a struggle for me -- unlike you who have Fe as your dominant function -- I think you're an ENFJ.  Our middle cognitive functions are the same and in the same order which gives us a kind of similarity although extraverted feeling (Fe) is your strength and extraverted thinking (Te) is mine.  We both have Ni (introverted intuition) as our helping function.  Maybe I'm wrong about all this shit, but courage is one of my strengths so I thought I'd stick my neck under the chopping block and post it anyway.  I can see why you don't like thinking because Ti is your inferior function and you don't have Te in your cognitive function stack.  So you can teach me Fe but I can teach you Te.  We're very similar, but we're flipped around regarding thinking and feeling, both as extraverts in our primary functions.  Not a bad relation in terms of compatibility, but there are differences there -- the thinking vs./and feeling duality being the primary one.

Edited March 26 by Joseph Maynor

[Phil]

@Joseph Maynor

Interesting. 

It’s not that thinking isn’t liked btw, it’s that there is no thinker. 

[James123]

17 hours ago, Joseph Maynor said:

This seems to be something and a lot of people are drawn to conclude and I'm just curious as to your reactions to the claim.

SOURCE
https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/91094-important-nobody-on-this-forum-is-awake/?page=20

If your arm and leg both consciousness, they are identical. Therefore no arm or leg, just consciousness. However, consciousness is duality too because 'c', 'o' or 'n' different than each other, therefore no c o or n. Therefore there is no such a thing that consciousness all that exists, because the words or sounds are not identical. 

[Phil]

Try to think of anything that isn’t consciousness, and notice, you, consciousness, are conscious of that whatever it’s thought to be. 

 

 

[Aware Wolf]

It's a Point of View. 

 

If you think that the bus barreling towards is merely created by your consciousness... You might have a (w)reckoning ..

 

[Serenity]

While it may be true from an absolute perspective that everything is consciousness, it's important to distinguish between relative truths and absolute truth. Just because a rock and a meal are both composed of consciousness doesn't necessarily imply that they are the same at a human level. It's important to be aware of this distinction to avoid conflating different levels of truth. 

 

Consciousness is a dynamic and adaptable phenomenon that can manifest in various forms with distinct properties. It has the capacity to shape itself and express different characteristics depending on the context and conditions in which it arises.

[Joseph Maynor]

On 3/26/2023 at 1:58 PM, Phil said:

Try to think of anything that isn’t consciousness, and notice, you, consciousness, are conscious of that whatever it’s thought to be. 

 

 

the problem with this is people like Leo Gura and @Robed Mysticstart to believe that others don’t exist because they are merely part of my consciousness and only I exist.  That’s a trap caused by the everything is consciousness presumption.  It doesn’t have to be there but it’s sort of guided there by that presumption in certain people.  I’m interested in what you think of this kind of solipsistic conclusion.  I don’t think everything is consciousness needs to imply solipsism — case in point Advaita Vedanta which doesn’t teach solipsism as the conclusion.

Edited March 30 by Joseph Maynor

[Devin]

It doesn't imply Solipsism, they're egocentric, they don't understand consciousness, consciousness isn't the mind which is what they believe.

[Joseph Maynor]

6 minutes ago, Devin said:

It doesn't imply Solipsism, they're egocentric, they don't understand consciousness, consciousness isn't the mind which is what they believe.

In Advaita Vedanta every being shares in the same consciousness.  And although everything is God, an individual jiva mind is not.  That's a clever way of avoiding the solipsism trap and also believe that everything is consciousness and I am God.  Brahman is the single consciousness that every jiva mind is a part of.  But there really is no jiva mind outside of Brahman, and that's the I am that that every jiva can come to realize.  It's the same God for every perspective of consciousness.

Edited March 30 by Joseph Maynor

[Devin]

4 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

In Advaita Vedanta every being shares in the same consciousness.  And although everything is God, an individual jiva mind is not.

       Yep, all of our 'individual minds' are within consciousness, I Devin am not thinking for you, I Devin am not designing this experience here. Joseph and Devin have separate 'minds', but we are all within consciousness, everything is one.

 

       When I pinch my left hand my right hand doesn't hurt with it.

Edited March 30 by Devin

[Phil]

@Joseph Maynor

It feels very off because it is very off. 

[Robed Mystic]

1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

the problem with this is people like Leo Gura and @Robed Mysticstart to believe that others don’t exist because they are merely part of my consciousness and only I exist.  That’s a trap caused by the everything is consciousness presumption.  It doesn’t have to be there but it’s sort of guided there by that presumption in certain people.  I’m interested in what you think of this kind of solipsistic conclusion.  I don’t think everything is consciousness needs to imply solipsism — case in point Advaita Vedanta which doesn’t teach solipsism as the conclusion.

That's not exactly true.  Which is why i never used the term solipism.   It's just that you as ,Consciousness are Absolute.   An illusion of self and other are created making it appear you are an individual self separate from other selves.  But this is all an elaborate illusion.  There is only Being which is this.   There is nothing behind the scenes 

[Joseph Maynor]

25 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Joseph Maynor

It feels very off because it is very off. 

 

Exactly.  Feelings give us information just like ideas do.  People with feeling in the shadow are blind to a certain extent.  It's kinda comical but also sad to observe.  I've come to have a deep respect for how I (or even others) feel about things as a source of truth just as much as ideas can be.  Most of us have spent our young lives having our feeling dismissed as subjective or idiosyncratic.   We have to re-integrate our feeling on the path in my experience, unless that's already a strength.  I think music is just as powerful as psychedelics and philosophy for developing a mature appreciation for feeling.  There's even music therapy, some is really good mixed with ASMR, my friend exposed me to some of it that's really good.  I think listening to music for as long as I have has put me in touch with emotions even though I'm a thinker.  There's feeling , gut feel, intuition, vibe, and probably others too nobody has put to words.

Edited March 30 by Joseph Maynor