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I want to note something and please don’t get triggered by this.  This forum seems to have I in the collective shadow and Leo Gura’s forum seems to have No Self in the collective shadow.  Question — are these 2 sides necessarily divergent or is this bridgeable through a kind of paradigm shift or marriage?   Is this an irreconcilable difference in other words — and does it have to be?

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@Joseph Maynorits like youre constantly trying to negotiate ways you can have your "self" and eat it too... maybe you feel very investeted in maintianing the notion of a special separateness, that is wise and enlightened and "done a lot of work" .... but its like preserving the pinata so you can keep all the candy inside...but youll never get to eat it.

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1 hour ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I want to note something and please don’t get triggered by this.  This forum seems to have I in the collective shadow and Leo Gura’s forum seems to have No Self in the collective shadow.  Question — are these 2 sides necessarily divergent or is this bridgeable through a kind of paradigm shift or marriage?   Is this an irreconcilable difference in other words — and does it have to be?

 

There isn't really such a thing as "no-self". Because there is no  self.

 

There must be an effortless way.

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5 hours ago, Lester Retsel said:

@Joseph Maynorits like youre constantly trying to negotiate ways you can have your "self" and eat it too...


Why do you assume it’s gotta be one to the exclusion to the other?   To me this seems kinda simpleminded.  People are falling for needing to take silly sides just to feel right but it’s not going anywhere.  I try to work with everything that’s here instead of fight with it.  Without flexible theory/intellect  you ain’t gonna have a flexible embodiment.  You’re just gonna take turns taking sides and feeling right in a kind of mindless group wave in a sports stadium — like cascading dominoes all following and pushing each other too.  Time to take ownership for yourself.

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4 hours ago, Mandy said:

@Joseph Maynor You create all differences. 


Why are differences in your shadow?  What’s wrong with differences?  What’s wrong with the I?  See.  Shadow issues.  There’s nothing to be afraid of.   There’s nothing that needs to be shoved underfoot.  At least from my perspective there’s not.  But I’m fighting an uphill battle with you folks who have the I or self in your group shadow.  You’re hypnotizing each other and collectively reinforcing each other.  I’m popped out of that.  I’m free.  I’m liberated from these games.  Been there done that!  You’re hypnotizing each other with a shared narrative.

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15 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:


Why do you assume it’s gotta be one to the exclusion to the other?   To me this seems kinda simpleminded.  People are falling for needing to take silly sides just to feel right but it’s not going anywhere.  I try to work with everything that’s here instead of fight with it.  Without flexible theory/intellect  you ain’t gonna have a flexible embodiment.  You’re just gonna take turns taking sides and feeling right in a kind of mindless group wave in a sports stadium — like cascading dominoes all following and pushing each other too.  Time to take ownership for yourself.

first off, i tried to watch your new video, and, ho-ly shit, i could NOT get past the self satisfied smugness of the first 4 minutes, the "nobody else is on my level" of it, i don't think you realize how off putting that is.  and ironically, you just still don't understand non duality...it's not that there is NO ego, it's that ego is NOT self.  it's not being a specialist either....it is recognizing NO LIMITS.  

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5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:


Why are differences in your shadow?  What’s wrong with differences?  What’s wrong with the I?  See.  Shadow issues.  There’s nothing to be afraid of.   There’s nothing that needs to be shoved underfoot.  At least from my perspective there’s not.  But I’m fighting an uphill battle with you folks who have the I or self in your group shadow.

you are actually gaslighting people here, because the fundamental idea of "no self" is still going over your head.  

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Nonduality isn't an integration.

 

It isn't an integration of self and no-self.

 

Or integration of masculine and feminine

 

Or Yin and Yang.

 

This isn't what nonduality (or no-self for that matter) points to. No-self in contrast to "self" would be, self.

 

That's like saying no-masculine is feminine.

 

It is not possible to integrate or negate any of these, because they are dualistic, interdependent.

 

What nonduality points to is that there is neither.

 

And not even.

 

Just give up the understanded, knower, learner, thinker. It isn't serving anyone. It's just suffering really.

 

There must be an effortless way.

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8 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

  I’m popped out of that.  I’m free.  I’m liberated from these games.  Been there done that!  You’re hypnotizing each other with a shared narrative.

bullshit.  you are making videos literally saying how superior you are, not even in a subtextual or subtle way.  you even made a totally holier than thou video about how YOURE not going to participate in forums any more because they are a waste of your time and you are so above that, and posted it HERE, and yet....here you still are.   

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5 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:


Why are differences in your shadow?  What’s wrong with differences? 

There's nothing wrong with differences. I am a difference maker. 🙂(am I the only one who saw those episodes of the Colbert Report?) In art I love using black, high contrast. I hate pastel paintings, it's just a preference, but yes I love differences when used creatively. It's the suffering from assuming separation that I listen to. It's like racism is so full of suffering because of assumed differences that aren't real. 

7 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

You’re hypnotizing each other with a shared narrative.

That sounds really fun, I'm totally up for some hypnosis, but I haven't seen anyone offer it here. What would one seek to gain by hypnotizing others to the truth that they don't have the power to hypnotize another? 

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Just now, Lester Retsel said:

bullshit.  you are making videos literally saying how superior you are, not even in a subtextual or subtle way.  you even made a totally holier than thou video about how YOURE not going to participate in forums any more because they are a waste of your time and you are so above that, and posted it HERE, and yet....here you still are.   

But here you're still talking about how he has some assumed failings. Which he does not. Really, he does not. 

 

MIRROR MIRROR BOYS. 

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I made a video this morning that addresses this thread.  Sometimes things need a more detailed treatment than simple short sentences.  Hear me out before you attack please.  Let's be civil.  There's no need to be mean.  Make points and gives examples in support thereof.
 

 

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Just now, Lester Retsel said:

lol....WHY DO YOU THINK IT BOTHERS ME so much?  i truly don't believe i am superior though, in any way, nor do i claim to be "free" "enlightened" "woke" or above anything

Mirrors reflect and reverse stuff too. Maybe you also think you have some failings.  🤷‍♂️It's hard to criticize anyone's creative work or expression and allow oneself a clear invitation to create and express. 

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5 minutes ago, Mandy said:

Mirrors reflect and reverse stuff too. Maybe you also think you have some failings.  🤷‍♂️It's hard to criticize anyone's creative work or expression and allow oneself a clear invitation to create and express. 

of course i have failings....SO MANY failings. that's what i mean by "why do you think he bothers me so much" ....  i don't consider myself a "teacher" or anything like that.  i hardly talk about myself at all when i make videos.  

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11 minutes ago, Joseph Maynor said:

I made a video this morning that addresses this thread.  Sometimes things need a more detailed treatment than simple short sentences.  Hear me out before you attack please.  Let's be civil.  There's no need to be mean.  Make points and gives examples in support thereof.
 

 

yeah, this is the video i tried to watch... i'm not going to sit here and listen to you talk about how above everyone else you are for 4+ minutes though, i'm just not

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