Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander I just wanna butt in and add that the 2 spheres model is similar to Nisargadattas Awareness and Consciousness explanation. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Orb said: @Alexander I just wanna butt in and add that the 2 spheres model is similar to Nisargadattas Awareness and Consciousness explanation. Awareness and Consciousness are one and the same. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) @Alexander the words can mean the same thing for sure. But the way Nisargadatta uses them is different. Just because two things are made of the same substance fundamentally does not mean they have the same function. Edited January 1, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Just now, Orb said: @Alexander the words can mean the same thing for sure. But the way Nisargadatta uses them is different. Can you explain me why 2 spheres when in direct experience there is only one "sphere". Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander there is infinite awareness, but if infinite awareness didn't appear as consciousness there would be no experience whatsoever. Plus, I suggest reading into the distinction nisargaddata makes between the two or be open to whatever Phil says and consider it. Can't criticize something until you've tried seeing it for yourself. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Alexander said: Can you explain me why 2 spheres when in direct experience there is only one "sphere". Really good question! Well what I will say is because you are looking from the sphere of the lens into the sphere of the world. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander I will add that in direct experience, the spheres arw both made of the same substance fundamentally, which i like to call infinite awareness. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 Just now, Orb said: @Alexander I will add that in direct experience, the spheres arw both made of the same substance fundamentally, which i like to call infinite awareness. All of that sounds solipsistic to me . From universe perspective we are not more then ants. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander you wont be able to see the sphere of the lens because you're looking from the lens lol, just like hpw you can't see your own head Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) @Alexander how does it seem solipsistic? The thing you said about the ants is actually your perspective. Edited January 1, 2023 by Orb Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Orb said: @Alexander how does it seem solipsistic? It does.We explore our own POV. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander I will admit that some time ago there were solipsistic beliefs coming up when I first started meditating and tripping on psychs, I suggest letting all solipsistic beliefs go. Don't even touch em, when the word solipsism comes up just let it go. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alexander said: It does.We explore our own POV. If you wanna kill solipsism in one fell swoop consider that there is a point of view but it isn't yours mine or anyone's! Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orb said: @Alexander I will admit that some time ago there were solipsistic beliefs coming up when I first started meditating and tripping on psychs, I suggest letting all solipsistic beliefs go. Don't even touch em, when the word solipsism comes up just let it go. What psychedelic would you suggest me to try for spiritual work which I find useless since I discovered God and Infinite Love. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander meditation, serving people, eating healthy food, exercise, inspecting emotion. Judging from what you said, I see some spiritual bypass going on, this is common after having one or many glimpses. Don't underestimate the basics, that's what someone told me! Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Orb said: @Alexander meditation, serving people, eating healthy food, exercise, inspecting emotion. Judging from what you said, I see some spiritual bypass going on, this is common after having one or many glimpses. Don't underestimate the basics, that's what someone told me! What's the point at the very end.It all was just one God's dream.Good or nightmare it doesn't matter at the end.We will all return to Infinite Love. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 1, 2023 Author Share Posted January 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, Alexander said: How you came with 2 spheres model when Awareness is one. Everything is working out perfectly. I am One. One appears as two. It isn’t possible for Phil to come up with the spheres. By being the world-sphere, I am all bodies. By being the lens-sphere, I am the thoughts; bodies, models and Phil. Follow up questions are welcomed. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orb Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 @Alexander have you seen the movie "everything, everywhere, all at once"? I think that movie addresses the what'sthe point of it all question. Quote Mention ♾️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phil said: Everything is working out perfectly. I am One. One appears as two. It isn’t possible for Phil to come up with the spheres. By being the world-sphere, I am all bodies. By being the lens-sphere, I am the thoughts; bodies, models and Phil. Follow up questions are welcomed. So one sphere or lens is just my own personal POV.Subjective vs Objective. Quote Mention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 1, 2023 Author Share Posted January 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, Alexander said: So one sphere or lens is just my own personal POV.Subjective vs Objective. Everything is working out perfectly. The lens is a sphere made of (is) the light & love that you eternally are. Subjective & objective are conjecture. The believing of thoughts. Follow up questions are welcomed. Quote Mention YouTube Website Sessions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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