The Source of All Suffering

[Saylor Twift]

Is stupidity 🤪

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and nothing else......

[Mandy]

What's stupidity? 

[Saylor Twift]

@Mandy

 

[Saylor Twift]

3 hours ago, Mandy said:

What's stupidity? 

Suffering

[LovingPresence]

The source of all your suffering is ,,you‘‘

Edited December 11, 2022 by LovingPresence

[Mandy]

1 hour ago, Saylor Twift said:

Suffering

So if feeling lets us know when we're thinking something stupid, but we keep on thinking it thinking we're smart and that we know what's up, we're actually being stupid then.

[James123]

7 hours ago, Saylor Twift said:

Is stupidity 🤪

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

and nothing else......

Saying stupidity is suffering itself. 

[Saylor Twift]

1 hour ago, Mandy said:

So if feeling lets us know when we're thinking something stupid, but we keep on thinking it thinking we're smart and that we know what's up, we're actually being stupid then.

That seems right

[Winter]

7 hours ago, Mandy said:

So if feeling lets us know when we're thinking something stupid, but we keep on thinking it thinking we're smart and that we know what's up, we're actually being stupid then.

This "feeling" guy sounds so judgmental.

[Mandy]

@Winter Judgmental or authentic? 

[MetaSage]

Self-survival

[Winter]

4 hours ago, Mandy said:

@Winter Judgmental or authentic? 

You choose really. There is no authority, call it "feeling" or call it "truth" that says whether things are right or wrong, stupid or not. You really are free to choose.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Winter

[Saylor Twift]

16 hours ago, Winter said:

You choose really. There is no authority, call it "feeling" or call it "truth" that says whether things are right or wrong, stupid or not. You really are free to choose.

That’s correct in the sense that there’s no separate authority to say what’s what, but there still is an authority. A method to the madness you might call it. It’s the exact same thing as authenticity.

[Phil]

A blind authority which doesn’t even know right from wrong, stupid from not, or a chooser & choice.

A method to madness indeed! 

 

[Winter]

5 hours ago, Saylor Twift said:

That’s correct in the sense that there’s no separate authority to say what’s what, but there still is an authority. A method to the madness you might call it. It’s the exact same thing as authenticity.

The "method" you talk about is no-method. There's no steps you can follow to arrive to "no-madness", you are already there. There's nothing for you to do, not even "realizing" or "awakening".

 

To assume that such method exists creates a self who can be blamed for "not being awake". "Oh god I've got this perfect thing called feeling which will always guide me but I'm just so STUPID for not using it."

 

There is no such thing as a "non separate authority". If the "authority" is not separate from something then it cannot be an authority over it. For there to be an authority there's need to be 2.

[Saylor Twift]

3 hours ago, Winter said:

The "method" you talk about is no-method. There's no steps you can follow to arrive to "no-madness", you are already there.

Agreed. “Method to the madness” is a common saying. It doesn’t refer to a process or series of steps or anything like that. It doesn’t mean going from madness to no-madness either. What it means is that for systems, events etc.. which seem chaotic, unintelligible, senseless or mad on the surface, when understood properly are often revealed to be highly well-ordered, sensible, and intelligent. “Madness” in this case is just the surface level interpretation of something which has yet to be understood.

3 hours ago, Winter said:

To assume that such method exists creates a self who can be blamed for "not being awake". "Oh god I've got this perfect thing called feeling which will always guide me but I'm just so STUPID for not using it."

I don’t assume such a method exists.

3 hours ago, Winter said:

There is no such thing as a "non separate authority". If the "authority" is not separate from something then it cannot be an authority over it. For there to be an authority there's need to be 2.

Existence itself is that non separate authority. Since it’s all there is and can ever be, it perfectly defines itself. 

[Winter]

7 minutes ago, Saylor Twift said:

Existence itself is that non separate authority. Since it’s all there is and can ever be, it perfectly defines itself. 

Authority : the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.

You are free to call existence an "authority" but note it has none of the properties associated with the word authority. It is as much of an authority as it is a bunny.

 

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Winter

[Saylor Twift]

1 hour ago, Winter said:

Authority : the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience.

You are free to call existence an "authority" but note it has none of the properties associated with the word authority. It is as much of an authority as it is a bunny.

 

 

Or it can mean a source of information, reason, justification...

[Winter]

6 hours ago, Saylor Twift said:

Or it can mean a source of information, reason, justification...

True, probably wasn't the best definition of the word I could have came up with.

But no matter what definition you want to give it, it cannot apply to existence. If existence is one way and not the other then you have 2 things, one and the other. If existence is a source of information then who is the receiver? Another? The concept of "source of information" doesn't exist with a receiver of information, it's like the concept melts away.

 

And rightfully so! There's no information to be received from existence, it's not some sort of magic machine that tells you how to live. You are it in the most direct way possible. There is no information you are missing in order to "understand" that. You are free however to imagine yourself as a separate entity which still has things to understand and create this narrative of self discovery in which the self is seen as different from feeling. (Because if you merge the 2, how are you going to maintain this narrative??). But this narrative is a narrative, unreal, imagined.

 

Not saying you are doing that though (even though there is no shame in making stories), I'm just pointing out the obvious, which you already know 😂

Edited December 14, 2022 by Winter

[Cathal]

Is not understanding the 4 noble truths experientally