Earthchild

@Mandy Thankyou.. well mostly I’m anxious about the future, feeling very unsettled. Not knowing what I’m going to do. But see I’ve always had this sort of feeling. Thing is when I was younger though I would ignore the feelings by doing things to escape like drinking etc. It seems like it’s getting worse as I’m getting older, I thought we were supposed to become more carefree with age but it seems the opposite for me haha. I’m definitely in a limbo phase, but also been having more obsessive thoughts, like what am I gonna do? And praying for guidance. Just not getting any answers or direction..

@Blessed2 hmm ok interesting. Do you know which type of magnesium is the best to take? There are so many to choose from..

I suffer with low moods, my whole life. Don’t know if I have some kind of high functioning depression, since it’s never bad enough that I can’t get out of bed for example. But rather like I’m walking around with a dark cloud hovering over me. Some days I’m good. Possibly cycle and hormone related. It’s at a point where others comment on my mood and I’m seen as negative . Even though I’m not actually doing anything, but simply me being withdrawn and quiet is enough to annoy some people. I’m wondering if I have a mood disorder? Some days there is a feeling of impending doom so to speak. For a while now I’ve been feeling in limbo and have this trapped feeling. I was thinking to try 5-htp to see if that helps with serotonin levels?

desiderata - max ehrmann Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence. As far as possible, without surrender, be on good terms with all persons. Speak your truth quietly and clearly; and listen to others, even to the dull and the ignorant; they too have their story. Avoid loud and aggressive persons; they are vexatious to the spirit. If you compare yourself with others, you may become vain or bitter, for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself. Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans. Keep interested in your own career, however humble; it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time. Exercise caution in your business affairs, for the world is full of trickery. But let this not blind you to what virtue there is; many persons strive for high ideals, and everywhere life is full of heroism. Be yourself. Especially do not feign affection. Neither be cynical about love; for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment, it is as perennial as the grass. Take kindly the counsel of the years, gracefully surrendering the things of youth. Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune. But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings. Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness. Beyond a wholesome discipline, be gentle with yourself. You are a child of the universe no less than the trees and the stars; you have a right to be here. And whether or not it is clear to you, no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should. Therefore be at peace with God, whatever you conceive Him to be. And whatever your labors and aspirations, in the noisy confusion of life, keep peace in your soul. With all its sham, drudgery and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be cheerful. Strive to be happy.

@Devin I can feel what others feel, does that count an experiencing it? I’m highly attuned to other peoples moods, because of my childhood. Wish I could hold the view that there is no other experience, I can see how that might be freeing.

@Devin I believe in oneness in the way that we should show love and compassion to others and care about their experiences. And we are all in this together. I understand that there is no cold hard proof that someone is having an experience, but I assume they are and I always try to imagine being in that persons shoes and what they’re thinking. Because of my job I’m talking to many people every day and meet a lot of people, I guess it’s hard for me to believe they aren’t having their own lives and experiences when I don’t see them. So my view of oneness is different to your view. But how do I know your view is the right one?

@Blessed2ok. Well i was meaning more like to have this actual experience where you merge with everything, to have that trippy experience you would need a drug I thought.

@Devin I understand what you’re saying, I get it. isn’t this forum and is chatting proof of people having experiences and thoughts? and also, why not believe someone is telling the truth when they tell you they have their own experience?

@Devin I’m not debating just trying to understand. You have no proof that what you’re saying is the truth..

Are you talking in absolute terms? what about 2 people enjoying an experience together, you’re saying the other person doesn’t exist? where is your proof that the other person isn’t having an experience?

Maybe someone can explain to me this example: 3 people are in a room and only 2 of them take psychedelics. 2 of them are seeing all these crazy things but the other person doesn’t see those. The 2 people tripping see everything as one and everything around them disappears, but as the sober person looks at them they are simply rolling around on the floor and the walls are still there. The physical walls will remain whether you are tripping or not. how’s is everything becoming one not an hallucination? I can’t ask this question on actualized without being told I’m stupid or not awake enough, so plz be kind 🙂 …and how is it not an escape from the here and now? i can understand using them for healing or an awakening now and then.. but using them regularly and using a lot, isn’t that an addiction (maybe you’re not physically addicted like with other drugs but you can still get mentally addicted to the escape and the experience)

@Blessed2 I think you’re supposed to take psychedelics to see everything as one? I didn’t experience it yet. But how do we know it’s not just an hallucination?

I’m also curious how things would play out if Leo became more mainstream like other spiritual teachers. Would he get torn apart by the media the way Teal Swan was?

isn’t that just like a sign of toxic behaviour from someone? Like manipulation/gaslighting. Maybe he’s unaware that he does it I don’t know. But what I noticed is that he will be abusive towards his followers, and refuse to change or won’t listen. Then when enough people start complaining he will write out long message explaining himself and how he plans to change in the future, and how the way he speaks on the forum Is just testing ground for his ‘real work’ yada yada. So then people think ‘ oh maybe he’s actually nice’ and then feel bad for questioning him. So it kinda gets turned back around on the followers like it’s their problem to deal with, without him taking any responsibility. in the ‘real world’ he doesn’t have anyone questioning or confronting things to him either since he’s pretty isolated. I wonder how he would actually behave in reality.

@Blessed2 a real edgelord he is.

Leo speaking with such disrespect to the forum member scholar,then other members side with Leo to gang up on him, then Leo has the nerve to say ‘don’t gang up on him’ it’s feeling really culty over there right now. I don’t know why but people kissing ass triggers me lol

let us humans do what humans do best -> gossip 🤪

What are your best book recommendations for learning assertiveness, stating what you want and saying no to things you don’t want without feeling guilty?

There are many people who have those insane trips on psychedelics, they just don’t have a platform to tell everyone. Or they don’t care about telling everyone. If he’s specifically saying no one has experienced the alien mouse thingy, then maybe. only way to know if anyone else in the universe experienced that he would have to ask everyone. But he doesn’t have that big of a platform. If for example Elon musk tweeted his experience, he would have millions of responses. Leo has the people on his forum and those who watch his YouTube videos.

Leo’s latest comments about him being the most woke person on the planet https://www.actualized.org/forum/topic/85620-main-distinction-between-leo-and-other-spiritual-schools/?page=2#comment-1208234