Valley2Mountain

Ohhhh I understand now. 'for me' here refers to my preferences. I acknowledge that for others it can be their career yet for me it remains a hobby. Didn't mean it as my destiny, that was written on a sacred stone in Mount Olympus before my birth. p.s. perhaps we can go hiking together one day😉.

From experience. Let's take traveling for example, which is on my dreamboard. I really enjoy travelling, adventure, trekking. However, my last travel was for 8 months and at the end of it (even before that) I felt saturated. It didn't feel sustainable or fun anymore. I felt the desire to master something, create something, actualize my potential and contribute somehow. Traveling wasn't the actualization of my full potential. So why traveling is on my dreamboard then? Because I still enjoy it. A multi day hike here, a month there. But not consistently as, let's say, a travel blogger. Based on the cover photo of your webpage and the setting in your youtube videos, It's not difficult to assume that you live in proximity to nature. Hence, you probably enjoy the outdoors too. Nevertheless, it's not your full time career, right? it's definitely an important facet of my life but not the whole thing.

Ohh okay. Thank you

Thank you:) Hmm, how does it differ from expressive journaling?

Amen to that. An important reminder. What 'that' is referring to? What I was trying to say in that sentence is that, the concrete things that can be labeled as "Doing" written on my dreamboard, aren't meant (for me) to be invested in as much time as a job. For example, I wrote playing the guitar, practicing water sports, travel&exploration,photography, gardening and etc. Yes, I want to have my own garden to cultivate food and beautiful plants. Do I want to be a gardener? no. I want to have the ability to take beautiful shots with a camera, by I don't want to be a full time photographer. Same goes for the other stuff. Yes, you're right, it's a whole dream life I'm trying to build here and not only a dream career. It's just that at the moment I am focusing on finding the dream career. By the way, could you check please my post on "conscious creating" regarding the back side of the dreamboard?

As a consequence of reflecting for a long time about my future career, I am stuck in repetitive thinking cycles which are definitely not beneficial for achieving the goal of finding a career. How do I create new patterns of thinking that can potentially offer me new insights, opportunities and solutions? Perhaps a psychedelic can help? (or perhaps make things worse?) I do try to expose myself to new experiences and different people, yet the old thinking patterns remain. Regarding the dreamboard, there is nothing there that can imply on my dream career. Yes, I have something written like "a job I love, with which I can contribute and earn money" but nothing more specific than that. Other content is unrelated to a career.

Can you give an example for how an inspection should look like on the backside of the dreamboard? Also, are two separate one sided erase boards, mounted on same / opposing walls would have the same effect as a double sided erase board on wheels? Or there is a point of not seeing the inspection side all the time (Perhaps I could cover it with a nice picture😋)? I'm asking because of space limitations.

I actually felt that lately! After gaining a bit more emotional awareness from the Sedona method and lately from the emotional scale, I noticed how strongly emotions have an influence on every aspect of my life. It feels strange, how sometimes I can feel aversion to things I like to do depending on the emotion I experience. That's an important insight, thank you. It's actually kind of scary to think about it, that you could be making important decisions while being "under the spell" of the lower emotions. The question is how do you stay / increase your time in the higher emotions rather than the lower ones. No, I haven't transferred yet the list to an erase board. You mean, if I used it right after reading the things from the dreamboard? No. I've used it independently.

Can you elaborate upon that? It's a recurring theme in your explanations which I haven't yet understood completely. Guidance towards what? The truth in every scenario in our lives? Exactly right. But unfortunately. there is a significant difference between knowing I want to clarify for myself what I want in life, what I'm passionate about. And, actually finding that😅. I've reached many dead ends, to the point that sometimes I think I need to change my strategy and stop looking for that career I'll be passionate about. What if "finding your passion", is just the trend of the 21st century that were conditioned to believe we need to have. 😎 I also struggle to choose the matching feeling in the scale when feeling lost. It's kind of like worry, doubt and overwhelment but more powerful. Where you just don't know what to do next and you feel a bit defeated.

Thank you guys! That's intriguing, never thought about it this way. Also, I experience apathy for example when I'm trying to sense the feeling I get from doing something or being in a certain situation (do I like it or not? is it boring? Wanna do it again?), and I feel nothing, neutral, kinda numbness. Yes, it's more similar to this description. A feeling that something is missing inside and a lack of fulfillment. You're saying that below a lack of feeling, does lie some kind of feeling that I can unearth?

I started to use the emotional scale and I have noticed that some emotions that I experience don't appear there. For example, feeling of emptiness / hollowness, apathy and feeling sad. What do you do in that case? @PhilI'm curious if the Sedona Method inspired you to create the Emotional Scale? I'm reading the book and it seems that they share few similarities.

Thank you for the answer. Not sure how you came to this conclusion?🧐. If anything, this is one of my last priorities. That's what the title is all about. If I was seeking to be financially secure, I'd just enter the high tech sector and never look back. Definitely in that case, I wouldn't be spending time on this forum. In a sense, life would be much easier without all this questioning. But I do want to question things, hence I entered this forum. The definitions I use? I honestly don't give a **** about them. They are just the current tools I have in my disposal to navigate life. Are they false? Perhaps. I would like to question that as well. The definitions might be wrong but they are clear and concise, as opposed to the alternative that seems amorphous and elusive. I don't know whether it's because of the nature of it, language barriers or the limitation of the forum compared to speaking. Nevertheless, I have an honest desire to understand what you are offering. If it seems as if I'm arguing with you for the sake of arguing then it's not the case. I am simply trying to understand❤️.

@Phil First of all, I apologize if I drove you crazy from the already long thread😅. We can finish it here. I just like to understand things thoroughly. However, if you'd like to help me settle my unsettled mind, then here is my current confusion: If, as you say, passion and meaningfulness are independent of external circumstances, then there shouldn't be any preference between career paths, because the content of the career doesn't matter. Preference, by definition, means that one thing provides you with something that another thing can't provide you with. But, what else can a job provide you with, other than passion and meaning? (again, putting aside for a second financial reasons or job conditions. Let's say we compare two jobs equal in their conditions). Unless, we use the terms "passion" and "meaningfulness" in a different manner. For me (In the context of vocations), passion is a feeling of intense interest, attraction, enjoyment towards / from something. If you are passionate about something, then you'd like to invest your time and energy into doing that. Meaningfulness, is the feeling you get when you sense that what you do matters. That It brings a certain value to the world. So already, by those definitions, these emotions are contingent upon what you do externally in the world. From the reasons you listed above, I think you can put Interest, preference and enjoying it under the umbrella of passion. sincere desire for servitude, selfishness, selflessness, inspiration can be put under meaningfulness while the rest falls mostly under financial reasons.

@Phil So, if people can be filled with passion and meaningfulness being even the most basic factory worker (just an example), what would be any reason for them to pursue careers that require years of effort only to begin working in? I mean, don't tell me that from your point of view it's only because of financial reasons.

@Phil After reading this again, I felt I needed to come back to this sentence. Can you please elaborate on this point? I mean, do you imply that, a KFC cashier can feel it just as strong as a doctor in a hospital? It's hard to imagine that experiencing these emotions doesn't depend on what you do externally. By the way, are you using the words "feeling" and "emotion" interchangeably or do they have different meanings? Finally, if you put aside the specific case I described in the first message which followed by your advice, what's the main principal (the healthy way) in which you should go about the journey of seeking feeling passionate and meaningful.

My emotional state?

If I got you right, emotions are not concepts but once you declare them as "your" emotions as having them in your possession, then it becomes self conceptualization?@Phil

@Phil Wow, a lot of self conceptualization is going on here. So, in order to pass through that, one should connect more with emotions? For example by using the emotional scale and expression? If states is self conceptualization, what makes the emotional states found on the emotional scale any different? @Faith I understand that for some the process is as direct as she described, for example one likes to act (and he is good at it) so he becomes an actor. I love trekking and I'm good at it, does that mean I'd enjoy doing full time or being a tour guide as a career? The answer is no. I don't feel it can fulfill me in the long run, because in my opinion it lacks other factors which are important to me as well, such as - a varied career, being impactful (I'd like to influence, to change stuff in the world while a hiker is just an observer {not saying this as a good or a bad thing}). So, to summarize, I think it's more nuanced than what she describes

Thank you Phil for the recommendations. Cool song😉 What context did you attach this line in? If I understood you correctly, emotional guidance is referred to the thoughts arising from thinking about the directions and not from the directions themselves? This protocol consists of two parts? Firstly, I recognize the emotion that arise from each direction. Then I reflect on the thoughts that come out?

Couple of months ago, I left my engineering studies because I felt it wasn't it. The idea I had about it didn't match reality. After unwinding a bit, I wanted to experience something new in order to get inspiration for my next goal. So I joined a volunteering project, that creates engineering solutions for disabled people. Helping them to improve their day to day experience or get back to their hobbies they had prior to the injury. Also, I started to work part time as an instructor/teacher for kids in elementary school. Teaching them about nature. The thing is, whenever I'm trying to retrieve insights from those experiences, like whether I like it or not or if I'd like to pursue any of these directions, I become clueless. I feel kind of apathetic towards them. I don't feel an excitement or a pull but neither resistance. I feel like I'm just participating in it, sometimes it's better and sometimes worse, but there is no overarching distinct feeling about any of these directions. Is my general emotional state overshadows my ability to reflect upon those directions? Should I even base my decisions on emotions? They seem slippery. One day you like something, other day you don't. Should I continue my search for a meaningful career and passion, or am I deluding myself into thinking that this thing exists somewhere there and I need to find it? For example, Cal Newport suggests just to pick something and master it. I don't understand though, how a person could pick something in a robotic fashion and master it, excluding his emotions from the equation. What do you think about it? Generally I feel lost, tired, frustrated from this search as well as sincerely worried about my future. I'd like to stop searching and start already to master something in life...

Ohhhh, now I understand better what Phil was explaining to me in his comment. But what is the advice "Learn from the mistakes of others" for? It's precisely so that you won't need to experience that by yourself, by gaining knowledge from others.

Thank you @Mandy , 5 min workout prior to meditation is sustainable. I'll give it a try. You are right, that's the ideal. Found it hard though to do it when living with flat mates. Although it's definitely a matter of discipline.

@fopylo Sure man, PM me and we can talk.

@Loop hmm interesting, I'll try it out. Thank you. @Phil You mean doing the exercise & meditation before I go to sleep? In the last hour before sleep I prepare myself to go to sleep. Meditating at that time suffers from same problem as in the morning as I feel sleepy. I prefer not to workout late in the evening because that awakens me. Just to clarify, I meant that I want to come energized into the meditation practice. I don't expect that mediation itself will make me energized. If I start the meditation sleepy, then I'll end up falling asleep several times or my concentration levels will be very poor.