Tarak

I wasted way too much time on this shit. I learned today that discussing on the internet really is a moronic thing to do. I would say I wish you all a good life, but I would lie. 😄

Are you serious? You can't have an open mind if you have triggers? It's becoming harder and harder for me to take you serious, Jonas. I hope for you you are just trying to be an annoying troll.

I don't see why my POV is intolerant. It's not like I want all trans people removed from this plane, lol. Yes, you can be very smart and make mistakes. And I didn't claim to be objectively correct. Nobody has the objective Truth. I don't mind answering your questions, but I feel like the only thing you want to do is making me look bad and turning my words against me. That's ... sad.

I got triggered when my honest opinion was apparently "regurgitated fascist rhetoric". I have been called names so many times when pointing out the (in my eyes) obvious and was sad when it happened again on a forum where I honestly expected a more open discussion. In my first post I honestly only wanted to share my view. The next few posts I tried to defend my view, since I felt nobody understood it. A few posts later I had been pushed in the right wing corner and my speech was fascist rhetoric. If me being honest leads to this, then I shouldn't waste my time here.

I wouldn't call it a coincidence, it's more like a process to get to that POV. Like I said, I was a progressive lefty when I was younger, very idealistic. I remember looking down on older people who seemed extreme right wing in their ideas, I thought they were horrible beings. Growing older, experiencing life and reading a lot, I started seeing the problems with those idealistic views and realized I had been a very stupid boy. I don't identify with a side anymore, but maybe the right wing POV is where one gets to after going through this process? I don't know and honestly I don't care. I know what I stand for, I know I mean well, and if you want me to push in the right wing corner for that, go for it. It says more about you than it does about me.

Whatever you want to think, Jonas. I've been nothing but honest. I'm not a great communicator, just wanted to paint the picture how I got to my view.

No need to feel sorry, you didn't do anything wrong. I have a high IQ, read thousands of books during my life, from very old to contemporary, from politics to psychology, from extreme left to extreme right... to get a balanced worldview and made my logical conclusions. I actually identified as progressive left until my awakening. But thinking different than the woke propaganda is a sure sign you are a fascist anno 2023. I'm leaving because the only thing I wanted to do was giving my 5c on a thread, have a decent discussion and I was swarmed by people who seem to 'think' uniformly. I'm leaving because I entered the forum yesterday after 3 month long hiatus, feeling quite good, trying to connect with others and a few hours later I felt horrible and lonely. I'm leaving because I thought this forum could be positive for where I stand right now and I clearly was wrong.

I was laughing because it's so typical from the woke community to call others fascist when they dare to oppose the ideology. But hey, you win, I'm leaving this forum. I thought this was a place to connect with people who can still think for themselves. I was wrong.

Well... I want to teach my kid that life will not always be what he wants and that he will become mentally stronger by going through those phases. I don't want my kid being taught that it's normal to take hormones and change gender because he 'feels' like it.

I know about 30 people who didn't get the vax and none of them got covid even once. In the mean time, my mother waited a long time to get her first shot. She got covid about 2 weeks after her first shot and now has a immunology problem. Just sayin... I never said there were no trans people in other societies. But it was never seen as normal or something to push on kids. I'm not fighting a battle by the way. The only reason I posted in this thread is because I didn't think the OP was right and wanted to give my 5c. I honestly thought there was a possibility in a decent conversation on this forum, but it seems like the woke propaganda has done what it has to do... 😄

Yeah, I do. One of my nieces is going through the hormonal therapy as we speak. My 2 best friends from when I was younger are gay and I got to know some through them. I know it looks like I'm a trans hater. But my gay friends explained it better than I can: In the late 80s, early 90s there was the homo and lesbian movement (in EU, I think it happened a bit earlier in US?). The only thing they wanted was to be accepted and that happened in a lot of countries because there was a mutual respect from both sides. They never tried to force non gays to change their ways and they were well aware that it is everyone's right to not accept them. What we see today with the trans movement is the opposite.

I see your point and yeah, I guess one belief can be expressed in different ways depending how you feel/think/... That said: I still hold firm to my 'belief' that there is something like right and wrong, good and bad, love and hate... Guess I'm not ready for non-dualism 😄

Sure. Since I spend the majority of my time alone and have no one to hug or have a decent conversation with, I realized I don't need someone to survive or even be content in life. That said: having someone to talk with helps in keeping you somewhat sane and having someone you can hug helps in getting that oxytocin that makes you feel good.

1. I personally don't see a lot of difference, except for us having opposable thumbs, a larynx that gives us the ability to speak and a brain that arguable does more harm than it helps us survive 😄 2. I have autism, and have big troubles naming feelings, so I'm not sure. What I do know is that if I do something bad I feel it in my gut (like I need to puke) and when I do something good it feels ... blissful. Both 'feelings' happen in my gut at the level of my navel. 3. The expression must come from somewhere and in the majority of cases they literally backup the expression with the relevant ideas, which are beliefs. 4. Yes, we are all beliefs learned. I'm doing my best to dissect them and not identify with them. For some beliefs that went easily, for others it'll probably never work out.

Yes. But a 70 year old that has his life come crumbling down might. So I really don't think age has anything to do with it. Your experiences and your situation however...

People mostly argue and disagree because they are confused. And they are confused because they have beliefs they learned from the environment they were raised in. We can learn a lot from predatory mammals. They hunt when they need food, but don't kill when not hungry. There are even countless sightings of wild animals helping other species in need, they normally prey on. The killing itself is not wrong, the reason for the killing can be though. I see where you are going. In a way right and wrong are indeed nothing more than an assumption. But at the same time... When I do something that helps another, both me and the other feel good. That for me is doing the right thing. When I do something bad to another, we both feel horrible and that is doing the wrong thing. I haven't experience directly other people's beliefs, but I experience their expression of their beliefs. Heck, it was because of that expression that I lost myself for decades.

I don't agree. I had plenty of opportunity to learn about spirituality and being a better person when I was in my 20's, but I felt like I was living my best life and although I had respect for the what I then called fluffy wuffies, I would never give up the life I had back then. 20 years later, when everything I ever cared for broke down, I was open for it. I was incredibly happy to realize that my life was a lie, because that meant there was a chance for a better future. That said: I don't think age has a lot to do with it. The experiences you have will bring you to your path, and if you live in ego, like I did, you need the total destruction of everything you love to be able to see it.

Probably not exact the same, but I am quite certain there is a universal version of right and wrong that applies to every living being. That said: the majority of people has so many beliefs that they trust ideas more than their guts, which is the first step in being unable to discern right from wrong.

I don't leave my house. The only chance to ever have another relationship is if I develop DID, lol.

They are both experiences, although laws is a more intellectual one and right and wrong come from my guts 🙂

My (now ex-) wife (the only woman that I had a real connection with in my life) started dating other guys while I was in the middle of a long depression. I don't blame her, since I wasn't able to give her any attention for the better part of 2 years. I wanted to, but was so burned out I couldn't. After I had slowly conquered the depression she was over me and in love with someone else. And although every single cell in my body screamed to win her back, I didn't because I thought I wasn't worthy of her. We are a few years later now and it still hurts. If I could redo my life, it'd be the only thing I would do different.

Cops do the legal thing which makes them think it's the right thing. The criminals I'm talking about feel deep inside that it was not right to take a life, they don't care it was illegal what they did, but do suffer because they did the wrong thing. We can't generalize off course, but the criminals I knew were better/more humane people than the median cop I encounter. Personally, having lived on the edge of society for a while now, I realized the majority of legal things are not very right and a lot of right things have become illegal. I stopped caring about the law and live my life in accordance with the 'natural/divine' law, breaking a bunch of stupid laws on a daily basis, and if I get into trouble because of me being authentic, I don't really care.

I live in a country with strict gun laws and I think it's a bad thing. In a perfect world nobody would have a gun, but as soon as somebody has one you need to give everyone access to it, because otherwise those with guns control the ones without. That's the reason most of the western world is turning into a police state. I spend quite some time with criminals in my time, including some killers, and it's very simple: I'm more afraid of an armed cop than an armed criminal, because the cop thinks he is doing the right thing when he shoots his gun. None of the criminals that killed somebody think they did a good thing. They hate themselves for it.

They identify as they/them, I'm not. We might all be part of the same divinity but that doesn't mean I have to identify with they/them. The fact that GW is run by experts doesn't mean much to me. According to experts 3 years ago, I would die when not taking the vaccine, which didn't happen. What did happen was that 10-20% of the people that took the vaccine had major health problems. Experts, my ass. It's a title the mainstream media gives to people that they want the plebians to believe in. What you call propaganda is in my eyes just logical thinking. Having queer and trans people reading children stories in kindergarden is degeneration of society, because it is something inherently sexual that is pushed onto small kids. I have nothing against weird kinks but don't pretend it's normal when there is only about 0.1% of people with actual gender dysphoria. For most people in the movement it's some sort of therapy to cope with the harsh reality they live in, but I highly doubt that value signaling changing gender helps them. I mean: if someone has a psychosis and thinks he's Napoleon, will we make him president of France or give him meds? Also, the trans movement is way more political than you'd think. It's funded by billionaires with a personal agenda, it's used for political debate and division and it is the main reason why the chasm between the 'left' and the 'right' has never been bigger than today.

We have allowed them changing our language and let them infiltrate spaces that were woman only. They are not in risk of genocide. If anyone is, it's the traditional men and women who are in risk. Do they get hate? Sure? Even my gay friends hate the trans movement. The reason is not because people are trans but because they expect society to adapt to their quirk. I think the biggest group worldwide that is in risk of a genocide is the people who dare to question or oppose the government. These people first got the label conspiracy theorist, then they were anti-vaxxers, but now they are called terrorists by more and more governments worldwide.