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Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that you have an obsession with Gura. Possibly then, it is reasonable to say this actually is counterproductive because it has the chance to create the potential of forming a way where needlessness becomes likely aplenty.

@Aware WolfSome maps are objectively true, whereas others are not. And different maps will map different functions. The rock thing is related to intention, overcoming doubts of intention (my emphasis on "possibly" was because this may not have been a problem for you in the first place; not everybody has the same starting point for every single function or line of development they traverse through). As for some of his dream visions, I don't know what they symbolize to him personally as that's something only somebody in the context of that sea of unconscient images and impulses would be competent to interpret within the content of their specific life. The M.D. thing is definitely related to ego, but the second edition of the book doesn't have it. Despite the fact that being educated on medical science is decently likely to be helpful in understanding psychoses in the context of how clinicians treat both neurological and psychological effects of practices. By the Wilberian model, you'd be stage green that has a vendetta against second tier. You have, evidently, a pluralistic mind (you have considered all these different points of view and are openminded as far as searching out for contrasting viewpoints is concerned), but you dislike when one tries to establish itself as more true than others in spite of the fact that some systems actually are more comprehensively developed and are on a higher level of personal "evolution."

Right . . . No, it's actually easier because your delusions can be institutionalized and supported by people you socialize with. My cardinal-pope example shows that false attainments are difficult in organized systems by the definitions of those organizations. That makes it more difficult for people in a regimented structure to lie about their what level of the organization they have reached, however, it also happens that some systems are entirely constructed out of false attainments. Like somebody on top of a sand dune claiming that they've summited Everest or something. Then you might be biased in the possible case your Bible-land home is where you were born and raised. That can blind you to the obnoxiousness, I'm sure. But I don't know. The maps are correct, something I can attest to. Somebody that disapproves of mapping is actually just deluded beyond repair from dogmatism. He's just objectively wrong, whatever his religious credentials are. Because it also relates to clinical-type contexts--like psychoses--and he has an interest in developing these mapping models for slow integration into such contexts. Have you ever made a rock disappear in your hand in a dream? No, if you wanted to, you would not be able to. You would need years of practice to even consider doing this. Possibly.

@Aware Wolf Well, one could do that with anything, including this website. Really? The average fundamentalist Christian is worse than a standard "neo-Advaitan" or are you just exaggerating? Do you have any valid criticisms? Or not? You can overestimate your attainments in any system, not just spiritual ones and definitely not just the ones you've come to dislike. But occult movements, such as Thelemic organizations like the OTO, etc. are incredibly hierarchical the same way the Catholic Church is. Nobody making nonsense claims to attaining in those communities would be taken seriously the same way you couldn't randomly declare yourself a cardinal and have the pope acknowledge that. @Phil No, he means that if you were truly awakened, you would not be susceptible to issues he believes you have and would understand them before they would possibly emerge or be a problem. No precognitive supernatural abilities required.

It is a subject-object problem. Leader as the subjective viewpoint with followers as objects to play with. Or with followers as subjects that consume the leader as an object and cause possibly irreparable damage to their brains.

I will not poison my mind with such cognitive trappings. "Obfuscation" is a matter of enjoyment, not "technique." It does, in some cases, serve a benevolence.

The forum is offering up its soul for harvest.

The Annihilations of Actual The key problem with "leaders" is that they follow a pathway of matter, of energetic waves splashing over the cosmos, that bind, signify, and hierarchize minds into mindlessness, souls into soullessness, and societies into rigid decay of all held dear and true--in certain situations when that leader structure is limited in its understanding when correlating its own mind with the sub-minds of its own system. In other words, a leader's mind is the mind of their followers, all their individual minds becoming mere components, sub-minds, and consciousnesses devoid of truest individuality. In fact, leaders of narrow insight, of a paucity of understanding, reduce the followers' capacity for being individuals, actualized points that are distinct and developed from the rest of the system. They are made less actual and more abstract, where the leader is the only one left, the leader being the only being of actuality, the leaders being like vampires that suck this actual-ness away from others. That is why these systems fail inherently--because lack of understanding is not conducive to the collective, and we live where humans are not as developed as they could get to.